tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8161652134072043578.post775227172034723696..comments2023-06-01T07:44:22.223-04:00Comments on The Blackest of Mattes: New Chaos list/ my weekend tournament list!Black Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16908677149193186762noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8161652134072043578.post-60275796045127173632010-06-27T19:00:23.394-04:002010-06-27T19:00:23.394-04:00Matt, Matt, Matt.
You is the man, but you really n...Matt, Matt, Matt.<br />You is the man, but you really need to read the codex and the rulebook!<br /><br />I just got done watching your video with the possessed and I have to tell you that you didn't use them correctly at all.<br /><br />1.)Possessed are fearless. They would not have broken. Yes, they would have taken further "fearless" wounds, but they would have stayed stuck in.<br /><br />2.)Models in terminator armor can not pursue a foe who breaks in combat. So the Terminator Armored Librarian could not have chased them down anyways.<br /><br />3.)Possessed are a great shield for Abaddon because they are fearless and have a 5+ Invulnerable save. You can up this save to 4+ with the Mark of Tzeentch. I prefer have 3 base attacks so I give them the Mark of Khorne.<br /><br />4.)Abaddon is a bad, bad man. However, he will die like a dog if he is left unsupported. Especially against Assault Terminators. You need to keep him with his body guard or he will get smacked down. He is a beast, but you can not run him naked.<br /><br />Okay, enough for now...hope this help my friend.<br />-Magilla Gurilla-Grizzled Gorillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16715567863938779627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8161652134072043578.post-61721352001278686702010-06-27T16:04:42.332-04:002010-06-27T16:04:42.332-04:00@ Big Jim
I have been running abaddon for a few ga...@ Big Jim<br />I have been running abaddon for a few games and that one on the Daemon weapon roll really brings down his worth. That and his cost! I love him and he tears things up but he is a little unreliable. I wonder how he would do against mephiston!<br />I also tried the possessed today. More on that later:/ If the footage is good enough, I will post the battle. Damn camera!<br />@ Brent<br /><br />Beserkers rock, but woudl kharn be even better? When I am building my Deathstar unit, I want it to be able to split up into many different parts for surprises!Black Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16908677149193186762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8161652134072043578.post-80792150406772184692010-06-27T13:54:08.972-04:002010-06-27T13:54:08.972-04:00From my experiences with Abaddon, I have found tha...From my experiences with Abaddon, I have found that he needs a fearless bodyguard. When he is fielded all fluffy like with a unit of Terminators he inevitably gets run down or runs from combat.<br /><br />So I started running him with 8 Zerkers with a fist champ at aprox 208 points. I had always considered Possessed too expensive to field in units larger than 5 or 6. <br /><br />After watching them preform well time after time for Mags, I decided to re-look at them. 8 Possessed cost exactly as much as my 8 man squad of Zerkers. <br /><br />They may not start off with as many attacks or a Pfist, they do have str 5 causing more wounds than the Zerks after round one of the assault and they have a 5+ invul save making them less likely to get punked by returning Pfist attacks. Plus they get a random ability that is a real benefit 4 out six times.<br /><br />I do agree they are kinda expensive, but so is Abaddon and having him run down just sucks.<br /><br />-JimBig Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10363832056474538807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8161652134072043578.post-69343665351947972832010-06-27T12:30:36.213-04:002010-06-27T12:30:36.213-04:00I love Abaddon - who doesn't? But I've ne...I love Abaddon - who doesn't? But I've never considered the idea of throwing Possessed in the Land Raider with him. I've always added Berserkers... naturally.<br /><br />It's worth thinking about, but Matt hit on the obvious downside, the expense.<br /><br />By the by, I agree with the Heavy Flamer on the trio of Termies - I've used that before and it works great. The downside is occasionally you'll flub the Meltagun shots on the drop since you only have two.<br /><br />BrentBrenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07426628265866457542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8161652134072043578.post-27619580617340853412010-06-25T00:37:51.696-04:002010-06-25T00:37:51.696-04:00I'm a bit late to the party, but I gotta agree...I'm a bit late to the party, but I gotta agree with Mags. I've been running 6-7 with Abaddon in a Landraider with lots of success! They murder almost anything they assault.<br /><br />Hell Mags re-sold me on the idea of fielding them, with the great success he's had with them in his video batt reps!Big Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10363832056474538807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8161652134072043578.post-44716179832748582472010-06-23T15:53:40.101-04:002010-06-23T15:53:40.101-04:00@ mags,
I dunno, I am pretty prejudice about the p...@ mags,<br />I dunno, I am pretty prejudice about the possessed. 26 pts a piece right? But thats all it is, I will have to give them a try. <br /><br />I cant find my list from the tournament, I may or maynot have shorted myself some pointage! That list is what I remember playing!Black Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16908677149193186762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8161652134072043578.post-67154642277586311622010-06-22T20:33:16.386-04:002010-06-22T20:33:16.386-04:00I would recommend dropping the terminators and add...I would recommend dropping the terminators and adding in possessed.<br /><br />Possessed make an excellent bodyguard for Abaddon as they are fearless. Secondly, you can really customize them for the job you want them to perform.<br /><br />Need a better shield for Abaddon give them the Mark of Tzeentch and they have a 4+ invulnerable save.<br /><br />Need some extra combat punch, give them the Mark of Khorne for the extra attack.<br /><br />Plus, if you are trying to stick with the Black Legion theme, possessed would fit within those parameters.Grizzled Gorillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16715567863938779627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8161652134072043578.post-12035696886150012402010-06-22T15:59:35.303-04:002010-06-22T15:59:35.303-04:00@ old school,
The defiler wasnt an MVP for the tou...@ old school,<br />The defiler wasnt an MVP for the tournament but he was definelty a team player. Last night I tied up 24 genestealers with them for 4 game turns. In the tourney the battle cannon did a good job too. I like your ideas! <br />I need to give a shout out to the bikers though. They panic gun line guard and they can survive if lucky. If I am going 2nd, I reserve them and turbo on. They have a new spot on my roster.Black Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16908677149193186762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8161652134072043578.post-3310723986869925672010-06-22T12:53:52.521-04:002010-06-22T12:53:52.521-04:00Hmmm. I have been running Abby lately with a squad...Hmmm. I have been running Abby lately with a squad of zerks with much success. I am not sure how things played out for you, but your best ranged anti-tank seems either easy to kill (dread and Bikers, who are considered ranged due to distance they can cover) or over reliable (3 oblits in a squad). I would keep abby, but give him some good friends to help him match up against the true deathstar units out there. Take out the dread and add a few more troops. Try the termies with the HF, I have had mixed results, you might like them. mix it up with the oblits and get them into a couple squads for the ability to engage a couple of targets with quality weapons. Playtest it and work from there. How did the defiler work for you? I have been thinking of dusting mine off for some fun.TJ Atwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01304177224607153451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8161652134072043578.post-16240512953327000172010-06-22T11:38:58.514-04:002010-06-22T11:38:58.514-04:00I dont really want to play daemons. And I would g...I dont really want to play daemons. And I would get rid of the termies altogether if I could but you may be on to something with the heavy flamer! Ill be thinking about that one!<br /><br /><br />@ Andrew,<br />I could always use some practice against orks!!!Black Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16908677149193186762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8161652134072043578.post-65597199826911601442010-06-22T11:20:00.947-04:002010-06-22T11:20:00.947-04:00Exchange one Terminator Combi-Melta for a Heavy Fl...Exchange one Terminator Combi-Melta for a Heavy Flamer for duality. Otherwise cool list, aside from Abaddon not having enough friends. Maybe swap him for 2 DPs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8161652134072043578.post-63123364934063437152010-06-22T11:05:56.665-04:002010-06-22T11:05:56.665-04:00very creative form of a chaos list but consider th...very creative form of a chaos list but consider this.If you run a chaos bike squad of 5-10 you could play a generic champ,2 meltas,and icon of nurgle toughness 6 FTW.turbo boost them first turn a second turn summon a squad of 20 lessers and a greater.<br /><br />also i;m probably going to NY in July for the holidays if you want a game I could always use more practice with my orksDrew Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09277664787989182673noreply@blogger.com